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Pedroski
24-09-2009, 05:54
I've got 2 border terrier crosses. They are very active dogs, long long walks off the lead every day, sniffing everything and running and chasing about. They love to chase rabbits......but they are crap at catching them (1 or 2 caught in 3 years - very poor show!). I'd love them to be able to catch rabbits and bring them back to me...any ideas?
Silverback
24-09-2009, 06:50
I've got 2 border terrier crosses. They are very active dogs, long long walks off the lead every day, sniffing everything and running and chasing about. They love to chase rabbits......but they are crap at catching them (1 or 2 caught in 3 years - very poor show!). I'd love them to be able to catch rabbits and bring them back to me...any ideas?Swap them for Bedlington x Whippets :wink::icon_tong
psudovegetarian
25-09-2009, 00:29
I've got 2 border terrier crosses. They are very active dogs, long long walks off the lead every day, sniffing everything and running and chasing about. They love to chase rabbits......but they are crap at catching them (1 or 2 caught in 3 years - very poor show!). I'd love them to be able to catch rabbits and bring them back to me...any ideas?
Train them to run parallel to each other 20M apart with a long net between them.
Pedroski
25-09-2009, 05:58
Swap them for Bedlington x Whippets :wink::icon_tong
Funny you should mention Bedlingtons....I was talking to someone on Monday who I haven't seen for years, and she's just been given one that needed some TLC. Lovely it is. But I couldn't swap my two - part of the family like. Maybe I'll look at other methods...like the dogs chasing them out of the undergrowth and me catching them.
Pedroski
25-09-2009, 06:01
Train them to run parallel to each other 20M apart with a long net between them.
Ahh, good idea. I know a bloke with a trawler and I'll see if he has some spare net. Trouble is, my dogs are useless and I worry they may not be able to fold the net up properly to carry it through the undergrowth....
If they are small enough to fit in the bigger holes you could use them to plant explosives in the hole and blast out the bunnies!!! :D hope this helps, it did for my dogs till one day the poor dog got stuck, needless to say all we could bury was the bell on her collar :'(
but if your dogs are smaller shouldnt eb a problem! ;)
Pedroski
29-09-2009, 17:26
I just don't believe this! While I was out working today, Mrs Pedroski took the dogs for a walk over the hills, and one of them came running out the undergrowth and gave her a present....a lovely young rabbit! But sadly, some old guy disposed of it for her!!!!
So you didnt try the mole bomb idea?
Pedroski
29-09-2009, 18:32
I was going to try the Mole Bomb idea, and had the gear to get the dogs rigged up proper like. But the Mrs got in a bit of a flap when she could work out which way to put the batteries in the detonator! Flamin' woman :)
Really depends on the breed of dog, I heard it said once that if most breeds of dogs were to go back to their natural wild state most breeds would starve to death very quickly because there just not designed in any way to hunt anymore. Mans selective breeding has made them co-dependent on us now.
The first staffie I had would have hunted and killed anything in sight she was a brilliant wee hunter until mr farmer shot her. And I've seen a malamute catch a deer fawn took 2 of us to drag her off, natural instincts kick in and it's kill time. Sometimes I think a lot of people forget that they have invited a carnivore to live with them lol
I have 2 border terriers both catch just keep going until their field craft improves I also bred one of them with one of my whippets to produce bushing dogs one of them was in CMW 2 weeks ago(Penny Taylor ) article
Border x whippet i would be interested in!!
if either of yrs are *****es you are welcome to a stud of one of my whippets
here is one of the pups when it was 6wks old(border x whippet)
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/shameless52/P3180274.jpg
Terriers were bred for underground work, and used for fox and badger, their short legs make rabbiting tough work for them, however they may happen across a snoozing or lazy rabbit, and will pick them up.
You could add a whippet to the pack and use the Terriers as flushing dogs in thick bushes bramble and bracken, the whippet should do the rest for you.
most working strains of terriers are not short legged at all, and some people dont have space for more than one or two dogs so they need an alrounder hence the lurcher or whirrier (whippet x terrier) .Incidently when this litter was bred we had 4 pups and we stopped counting the phone calls after we got to 30 enquiring about a pup
Ive been after a whirrier for ages, i had a coursing whippet and now have 2 lakeland terriers, years back i had a couple of lurchers whippet cross collie of the didycoys when i was a kid and then a greyhound x deer hound x greyhound x beardie in my early twenties Storm he was a lump and went like a train, but i love whippets, and a whirriers my next dog..
so there you are Pedroski theres 2 homes sorted if you do your utmost to get them to working homes I will give you the stud for a pound of your local best sausages(strange I know but I love tasting regional sausages)
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/shameless52/lamping.jpg
I think the point I was trying to make Darren, was that in comparison to a whippet and relative body dimensions, terriers are short legged. They are earth dogs, hence the name. The legs were kept short to prevent the foxes or badgers from biting the feet off the dogs when being dug
They are great hunters, but not ever really designed for rabbiting. As you may well know, terriers, and especially Borders, make superb rat dogs.
A decent Whippet will run rings around a terrier, as its what they are bred for, rabbiting. Terriers will play an important role in flushing rabbits though.
They make a good team
having once been the terrier man for the West Norfolk I am gonna disagree on leg length with you as the terriers were required to keep up with the hounds something a short legged dog in the past couldnt have done there isnt a lot of difference my biggest terrier 15" my smallest whippet 16" its more to do with twitch muscles but I am gonna keep my mouth shut now
Nice one Darren ;) , my lakey's come from Kings lynn, do you post on Moochers? im sure i recognise your pic's??
Pedroski
05-10-2009, 19:04
Thanks all. I love the idea of the border x whippet. Out of my two stupid dogs, the one with the speed and who has managed to catch rabbits is the border x lakeland. He really does have long legs, and I would estimate he runs twice as fast as our other one, which is the border x JRT, with little legs but great for scrabbling through the scrub and going down hole. It would be great if they would each make the most of their assets and work together. As it is, the border X Lakeland sees something and gives chase in absolute silence, but the border X JRT then tries to catch him up while screaming her head off and frightening every other living creature away! Love them both though, so neither will do.
The border x whippet seems perfect though. If I had a whole ***** then I'd certainly be sending sausages your way right now! I know someone with a whole border ***** though, and I'll see if she might be interested :biggrin:
Darren, your catch there of 14 rabbits....was that all in one go?
having once been the terrier man for the West Norfolk I am gonna disagree on leg length with you as the terriers were required to keep up with the hounds something a short legged dog in the past couldnt have done there isnt a lot of difference my biggest terrier 15" my smallest whippet 16" its more to do with twitch muscles but I am gonna keep my mouth shut now
Certainly see your point Darren, good points there as well, and as a former terrier man for a hunt, I am sure your knowledge is extensive to the point of being superior to anyone else's.:You_Rock_Emoticon:
However, the question asked was how would he could catch rabbits with his terriers. I answered that they had limitations, I wonder if you could answer it for him? It was not my intention to get drawn into a long protracted discussion about fast twitch and slow twitch fibre
Its a while since I worked with Eddie Chapman,I should have asked him last time we met.:bowler:
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I judged the West Norfolk Hunt show on Aug 16th there wasnt really many good terriers there or lurchers I used to keep black dogs but have no need for them anymore
always fancied a black and tan
Bernie Garland
05-10-2009, 19:40
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I judged the West Norfolk Hunt show on Aug 16th there wasnt really many good terriers there or lurchers I used to keep black dogs but have no need for them anymore
always fancied a black and tan
Hi Darren,do you know Carl Orielly from derby ?
Bernie
Certainly see your point Darren, good points there as well, and as a former terrier man for a hunt, I am sure your knowledge is extensive to the point of being superior to anyone else's.:You_Rock_Emoticon:
However, the question asked was how would he could catch rabbits with his terriers. I answered that they had limitations, I wonder if you could answer it for him? It was not my intention to get drawn into a long protracted discussion about fast twitch and slow twitch fibre
Its a while since I worked with Eddie Chapman,I should have asked him last time we met.:bowler:
hmm judged with him before about 15yrs ago at the Sussex hunt show:bernie: Danny Lake was the terrier man then
Bernie Garland
05-10-2009, 19:55
nope
Well known lad in the midland's, still working them,:wink: used to keep black dogs myself for years,but out of it now,all middleton strain,just got the Beddo x whippet now :wink::)
Bernie
watched a very young beddo x whipp last week only 16 months old but his owner is ferreting mad its marking was 100% we even tried a couple of warrens it said no at and it was right, it had already learnt to stand up hill as well, it ran 2 that slipped the nets and caught both. IMO a small dog such as a whippet or more likely a whippet x because of the better coat, would be invaluable if you had to survive a few weeks out there
Border x whippet i would be interested in!!
theres a pic of the dog I bred in this weeks countrymasns weekly now 8 months old
hmm judged with him before about 15yrs ago at the Sussex hunt show:bernie: Danny Lake was the terrier man then
Sorry Darren, I think I got there before you mate, I was working with Eddie in 1986, Cattistock :lmao::You_Rock_Emoticon:
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 10:07
IMO a small dog such as a whippet or more likely a whippet x because of the better coat, would be invaluable if you had to survive a few weeks out there
Thats why i got him :wink:
Bernie
any pics? is it called Alfred lol sorry couldnt resist that bit
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 10:54
any pics? is it called Alfred lol sorry couldnt resist that bit
No Briar,will sort some later,might be some here, somewhere :thumbsup:
Bernie
always liked the idea of whippet beds but then never got around to it then when I did start to look at some the only down side I could see was all the tangles in the coat thats why we ended up doing whipp border(altho the 1st litter we bred was an accident) as we knew the 1st x was only just broken coated.I see you are not to far away , if ever you fancy a bit of lamping on some different ground send me a pm
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 12:20
Here you go,he don't like his pic taken Though Maxines tried and tried you have to get one by accident :)
For years i used to run and work 1st cross saluki Greyhounds and had some top dogs,on the fens and small fields,but packed it all in, and terrier work about 15 year ago, as it was getting to hot :wink:
But when i remarried Maxine in 2003 thought i'd have a bit of a play again,some got 3 russles from Steve Parkin for a bit of digging and ratting,sadly a couple of years later all three managed to get into my raised koi pond one night and drowned ,it put me and Maxine off for a good while,got rid of the pond and fish as Maxine couldn't look at it any more.
Then a few years ago decided on another Dog,always fancied a Bedo Whippet,small enough to have in the house, and with you all the time,and great workers
so i started looking about, saw loads but none i could take to,after 6 months searching,finally found Briar when we met up with a bloke from up north at a service on the M1
Soon as the dog looked at me, i knew he was the one,and have never looked back,without a doubt he is the best dog and most intelligent i have ever owned,Many who have met him at meet ups will testify :thumbsup:
Anyhoo enough of my life story heres some pics :biggrin:
Bernie
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m219/berax_uk/100_0725.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m219/berax_uk/100_0685.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m219/berax_uk/100_0693.jpg
hes handsome without a doubt, I used to keep Saluki greyhounds and bred a very well known one............................................... ...Sniper
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 12:38
hes handsome without a doubt, I used to keep Saluki greyhounds and bred a very well known one............................................... ...Sniper
Fen dog ?
Bernie
yes he won the british singlehanded finals then the forley and the only dog to beat foxy
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 13:02
Any relation ?
Bernie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWSTt9cJaGk
Not that I know much about them but thats a nice looking dog you have there Bernie
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 13:11
Not that I know much about them but thats a nice looking dog you have there Bernie
Thanks Steve,you'll meet him at the Jamboree :thumbsup:
Bernie
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 13:25
??????????????
Bernie
http://www.bushcraftliving.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5718
couldnt figure out what you meant by related?
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 14:50
couldnt figure out what you meant by related?
Your dog Related to the ***** in the pic :wink::thumbsup:
Bernie
thats Tina she was by Lucky ,Lucky was by Caulfieds Joe who was out of out of Anji who was mine and sister to my Brigorn so yep if the vid is what you are talking about
Bernie Garland
08-10-2009, 17:06
thats Tina she was by Lucky ,Lucky was by Caulfieds Joe who was out of out of Anji who was mine and sister to my Brigorn so yep if the vid is what you are talking about
One of me mates had a pup related to the ***** in the vid cant remember if it was a pup or brother,:thumbsup:
Bernie
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